examine the scriptures honestly, and reason on what questions they demand of you.. .
a. matt.12:50, 13:38,25:40; mark 3:35; luke 8:21;john 1:12,13, 15:14; rom.
a. acts 10:42; acts 17:31; romans 14:9; 2 cor.
A. Matt.12:50, 13:38,25:40; Mark 3:35; Luke 8:21;John 1:12,13, 15:14; Rom. 8:14; 1 John 5:1
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A. Acts 10:42; Acts 17:31; Romans 14:9; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; 1Peter 4:5.
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A. John 10:16
; John 9:40;Matt. 10:5,6, 15:24; Rom. 1:16; Rom. 2:10; Eph. 2:14.
examine the scriptures honestly, and reason on what questions they demand of you.. .
a. matt.12:50, 13:38,25:40; mark 3:35; luke 8:21;john 1:12,13, 15:14; rom.
a. acts 10:42; acts 17:31; romans 14:9; 2 cor.
Examine the Scriptures honestly, and reason on what questions they demand of you.
A. Matt.12:50, 13:38,25:40; Mark 3:35; Luke 8:21;John 1:12,13, 15:14; Rom. 8:14; 1 John 5:1
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A. Acts 10:42; Acts 17:31; Romans 14:9; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Tim. 4:1; 1Peter 4:5.
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A. John 10:16
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A. Exodus 12:43-50, 19:8, 24:3; Joshua 6:25; Ruth 1:4.
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A. Galatians 6:16; Rev. 7:4; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30.
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A. Acts 15:1,2; Gal. 2:1-9.
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it's very interesting that 1st corinthians 15:53 has been cited in the watchtower study articles last week and this week.
that scripture, speaking about humans, translates the greek word 'athanasia' to mean 'immortality'.
can that be correct?
@Blondie;
Can you please give me the reference for the QFR you quoted. I've hunted for it on the CD ROM, but with no success. (Helped me find other interesting articles though - such as QFR April 1st '84, as well as QFR July 1st '80 which claims both Christ's mediatorship and the New Covenant cease when the last of the heavenly-hopers arrives in heaven.
(who thinks up these unscriptural and corrupt teachings which invalidate God's word??? - "There is one mediator between man & God")
I would genuinely love to hear from any of my brothers or sisters in the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses, to hear what their thoughts are on such contrary thinking. Are you "sighing and groaning?".
it's very interesting that 1st corinthians 15:53 has been cited in the watchtower study articles last week and this week.
that scripture, speaking about humans, translates the greek word 'athanasia' to mean 'immortality'.
can that be correct?
Paul wrote about "the one alone having immortality". This was first attributed to Jehovah then changed to apply to Jesus.
Why would the source of life give immortality instead of everlasting life to any of his creatures? It would make such a creature totally indepent of his Creator and Source of Life!
it's very interesting that 1st corinthians 15:53 has been cited in the watchtower study articles last week and this week.
that scripture, speaking about humans, translates the greek word 'athanasia' to mean 'immortality'.
can that be correct?
It's very interesting that 1st Corinthians 15:53 has been cited in the Watchtower study articles last week and this week.
That Scripture, speaking about humans, translates the Greek word 'athanasia' to mean 'immortality'. Can that be correct? The reason I question it is this - according to the "given understanding", the Greek Scriptures were written primarily for all those with the heavenly hope. OK, let's go along with that thinking just for 5 minutes. The term "everlasting life" (Gr. aionios) appears 46 times in the Bible - all in the Greek Scriptures.
If immortality was what the writers (as well as Jesus) had in mind, then they were all pretty negligent in their use of the Greek language by not revealing such an incredible condition being promised, that of being immortal!
The Reference Bible footnote correctly states that 'athanasia' literally means "deathlessness". (notlife within oneself) The hope held out to everyone exercising faith is exactly that - DEATHLESSNESS.
Death will be no more (Rev. 21:4); the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing (1st Cor. 15:26); death & Hades will be hurled into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14). No more death - deathlessness!!!! Vine's Expository Dictionary states that 'athanasia' "suggests the quality of the life enjoyed"
Why would Jehovah give immortality to some who remained faithful for 70 years, but wouldn't bestow that privilege on angels who remained faithful for 6000 years in the face of Satan? Every person who survives the Great Tribulation should also qualify!
There is absolutely no reason or justification to give anyone immortality - is everlasting life not enough?
p.s. Think seriously what happens if you change this and other verses, where "everlasting life" is promised:
(Matthew 19:16) Now, look! a certain one came up to him and said: "Teacher, what good must I do in order to get immortality?"
there is much speculation about many aspects of the great tribulation.
since it is in god's word the bible that we are informed of this event, then we should allow him to give us any relevant information regarding that event, if that is his wish.. the scripture tells us, "for the sovereign lord jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.
" (amos 3:7).
Just a few Scriptures I've found which seem to identify who are really "anointed followers of Christ".
If my reasoning is misguided, then please provide me with Scriptural evidence to show me. I welcome the truth - not "traditions of men".
According to Scripture, how many 'flocks of sheep' would Jesus have? - John 10:16. Only one!!!! Not two "classes".
According to Scripture, how would that one flock be baptised? (Mark 1:8) "I baptized YOU with water, but he will baptize YOU with holy spirit."
According to Scripture, Who Are Jesus' "Brothers"?
(Matthew 12:50) whoever
Likewise , Ezekiel 9:4 says, " And Jehovah went on to say to him: "Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it. " That is why 1 Peter 4:17 tells us that "the judgement starts first with the House of God" - it has to be cleansed of the the rotten fruit by Christ.
there is much speculation about many aspects of the great tribulation.
since it is in god's word the bible that we are informed of this event, then we should allow him to give us any relevant information regarding that event, if that is his wish.. the scripture tells us, "for the sovereign lord jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.
" (amos 3:7).
@ Charikio & Bobcat; thanks for your posts. Firstly Jehovah is a God of love - he gave His son as a ransom or lifeline, for anyone who wished to accept it. For all those who choose to reject this supreme act of love, are rejecting God Almighty's Divine purpose for the universe - to have peace and harmony both in the spiritual realm and on earth. People have a choice.
Bobcat - I see your reasoning on the word "great"; the point I was making was that when the angel referred to 'the' great tribulation, John would have appreciated that grammatically, it followed on from the angel's initial reference to "great tribulation" earlier in the vision.
I honestly don't believe that our heavenly Father would confuse our minds and His Word by recording that there would be two great tribulations. Thanks for explaining the reference to Jeremiah 25:29 - the warnings are are very clear that God's own household will be dealt with and cleansed first, (whoever that may be!!)then every facet of Satan's system of things will be given attention by Christ and his angels.
there is much speculation about many aspects of the great tribulation.
since it is in god's word the bible that we are informed of this event, then we should allow him to give us any relevant information regarding that event, if that is his wish.. the scripture tells us, "for the sovereign lord jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.
" (amos 3:7).
There is much speculation about many aspects of the Great Tribulation. Since it is in God's Word the Bible that we are informed of this event, then we should allow Him to give us any relevant information regarding that event, if that is His wish.
The Scripture tells us, "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7)
Have we been given any Scriptural details regarding this tremendous event? Let's find out.
Firstly, let's establish a fundamental truth - when the Bible uses the word 'Great', it clearly implies that the event would be unique
Jesus spoke of it at Matthew 24:21,22 - "for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short."
Again it is spoken of at Revelation 7:14, where the Apostle John is assured that faithful ones will survive this monumental event. This is the second time that the angel tells John about it.
To find out who/what causes it, and why, examine the angel's words when he first referred to the Great Tribulation" at Revelation 2:22: "Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds."
Verse 1 shows that this is Christ talking - issuing a warning to all his Congregations on the earth, prior to his coming to "judge the living and the dead". (Acts 10:42)
The full import of this can be gained in 12 minutes by reading Revelation chapters 2 & 3. Corroborative evidence for Christ's action can be found at 2 Thessalonians 2:4 & 1st Peter 4:17.
Jeremiah warned Jehovah's people that He was going to start with them first. (Jeremiah 25:29)
Therefore, the Great Tribulation is going to be directed by Christ at those who claim to be his followers, but only those "who have washed their robes white in the blood of the Lamb" will survive.
Once the "man of lawlessness" is revealed, a decisive choice will have to be made by all concerned.
a bible truth - "one baptism".
(ephesians 4:5) .
however, according to 'accepted wisdom', there must be two baptisms - one visible, and one invisible.
@ maccauk11
Thank you - it's nice to know that others (regardless of affiliation) believe and acknowledge this straightforward Bible teaching.
The Searcher.
a bible truth - "one baptism".
(ephesians 4:5) .
however, according to 'accepted wisdom', there must be two baptisms - one visible, and one invisible.
A Bible truth - "one baptism". (Ephesians 4:5)
However, according to 'accepted wisdom', there must be two baptisms - one visible, and one invisible.
The understanding is that the 'anointed' are baptised in Holy Spirit - so when does this baptism take place, becaue nobody becomes 'anointed' at their water baptism!!!!! (John 3:5, Acts 2:38, & 5:32 - great places to start research on exactly who gets Holy Spirit & when!)
Please do not rehash the 'doctrine of men' that everybody in the 1st century who exercised faith in Christ would become part of the 144,000 -
'heavenly hopers' and 'anointed' are not the same thing!!! (Didn't the dying thief exercise faith in Christ? True, he hadn't stuck with Christ during his trials, but neither did the thousands who were baptized at Pentecost. So that fallacious reasoning is worthless)
